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they were just approved in china. apple is going to be under pressure. i know the last time i was on, i think with we talked about how apple could be moving towards $600 or $700 by year end. i don't think that's going to happen. when you see the earnings come out, the other end of the pipeline from this quarter and next quarter, particularly when a recent nielsen survey said that 30% of desk top and laptop users are now going to use their devices less because they're using, what, tablets, which apple is the market leader. then you're going to see blockbuster earnings over the next two quarters. >> all right. we'll leave it there. gentlemen, thank you very much. we'll be watching apple and this market on the possibility for a deal. thanks, gentlemen. see you soon. we're just 26 days away from the fiscal cliff. steve liesman joins us now live from the treasury. he has an exclusive interview with one of the key negotiators at the white house, secretary of treasury timothy geithner. >> maria, thank you. i'm here with the secretary of treasury at a crucial ti
they were just approved in china. apple is going to be under pressure. i know the last time i was on, i think with we talked about how apple could be moving towards $600 or $700 by year end. i don't think that's going to happen. when you see the earnings come out, the other end of the pipeline from this quarter and next quarter, particularly when a recent nielsen survey said that 30% of desk top and laptop users are now going to use their devices less because they're using, what, tablets, which...
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the next 50 years we are adding 3 billion new consumers, china, india, brazil. let's add i understondonesia to. 3 billion consumers growing in the consumption trends. the growth that will come in front of us in the next 50 years have nothing to do with what has been achieved in the last 50 years. the only difference is that it will be done in those new markets, one, and the specificity of those markets, young people, loving brands, loving sports and becoming rich much sooner compared with what we've been enjoying in other markets. that means attractiveness towards luxury brands starts much sooner in those new markets. >> my thanks to the ceo of ppr. >>> tomorrow morning's key jobs report could move your money even before the opening bell rings. we have our panel of wall street's top market pros giving you a leg up on the ore side of this break. stay with us. we're back in a moment on "the closing bell." americans are always ready to work hard for a better future. since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first
the next 50 years we are adding 3 billion new consumers, china, india, brazil. let's add i understondonesia to. 3 billion consumers growing in the consumption trends. the growth that will come in front of us in the next 50 years have nothing to do with what has been achieved in the last 50 years. the only difference is that it will be done in those new markets, one, and the specificity of those markets, young people, loving brands, loving sports and becoming rich much sooner compared with what...
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if china mobile extracts big concessions to the u.s. providers, then go back and do the same. that's the principal issue. the other thing you're coming to the most important quarter in apple's recent memory and that's because you've had so many product launches coming in this last quarter they've really got to hit the cover off the ball. having said all that i still think apple long-term is a value play here, i still think it's a growth play, so it's just the right time to get in. >> dennis? >> joe brighton brings up the topic of a generational circumstance. going back a generation to me this reminds me of what happened in the early 1970s when you had the wonderful nifty 50 stocks you were supposed to own forever, all of which are wonderful companies -- >> 1970s or 1870s? >> i look like i was from the 1870s but apple is a wonderful company but not a good stock at this point. you have to be careful here. >> stephanie, what do you do, sitting there at home watching what all of us say as america's best loved stock, most valuable company on earth and watch it fall as far as it's f
if china mobile extracts big concessions to the u.s. providers, then go back and do the same. that's the principal issue. the other thing you're coming to the most important quarter in apple's recent memory and that's because you've had so many product launches coming in this last quarter they've really got to hit the cover off the ball. having said all that i still think apple long-term is a value play here, i still think it's a growth play, so it's just the right time to get in. >>...
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than china. partly because of relative wage levels, but also partly because of its proximity to the market and with energy and transport costs being what they are today, you're going to see a lot of change. and the u.s., like our industrialized economies, is going to have opportunities and it needs to prepare itself to exploit those opportunities. >> the ilo director general guy ryder talking to carolin. just a reminder, we spoke to pascal lamy who confirmed they've downgraded the world trade percent this year. that's had an impact on the volume of trade. it did ask him about what he thought the political situation in italy was going to develop and what impact. he said he thought and believed it would be contained, but then, of course, we might expect him to say that, as well. but he was speaking with mario monti earlier in the weekend, as well. on saturday he was with him. >> a diplomatic response, i would expect no less. great stuff from geneva. looking forward to having you back here tomorrow.
than china. partly because of relative wage levels, but also partly because of its proximity to the market and with energy and transport costs being what they are today, you're going to see a lot of change. and the u.s., like our industrialized economies, is going to have opportunities and it needs to prepare itself to exploit those opportunities. >> the ilo director general guy ryder talking to carolin. just a reminder, we spoke to pascal lamy who confirmed they've downgraded the world...
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credit outperformance and the valuation gap closing, and i think we get much more conviction about a china recovery and europe exiting recession so those really support stocks. >> what are you basing it on when you say we'll see a recovery in the second half? what's going to spur that? >> one of the things we studied pretty deeply in the report is looking at durable goods spending. never in u.s. history have we spent this little on construction and housing starts in cap "x." even s&p cap "x" is still pretty close to the 2009 lows, and, you know, when you think about all of that, you have to be very contrarian in terms of sectors this year or next year. >> right. >> and the surprise i think is going to be basic materials. that's the worst per forming group of the last two years. really almost a historic underperformance of that sector, and, again, it's very died to gdp picking up. >> very quickly, tom, do you change your outlook for next year if we go off the fiscal cliff? >> yeah. i mean, if we have a cliff and a recession, there is no bull market. you know, bull markets end with recession
credit outperformance and the valuation gap closing, and i think we get much more conviction about a china recovery and europe exiting recession so those really support stocks. >> what are you basing it on when you say we'll see a recovery in the second half? what's going to spur that? >> one of the things we studied pretty deeply in the report is looking at durable goods spending. never in u.s. history have we spent this little on construction and housing starts in cap...
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we're bringing up apple in china. right now they're saying iphone 5 sales are running 50% ahead of what iphone 4 sales were in 2010. that's fairly significant if it turns out to be true. the source for that is macbook translating data from chinese. that's making the rounds. i think people are looking at this aspect of wait a minute. this is a whole growth market that maybe is not in all the -- people are bullish on the china story. but maybe not enough. i think that's giving it to credence here. >> stocks off session highs after those comments from speaker boehner. really, we're hanging in there truth be told. dow up 106 points. when "halftime" returns we zero in on the health of financial stocks from the floor and more companies announcing special dividends as the nation gets closer to the fiscal cliff deadline. deutsche bank top u.s. equity strategist david bianco tells us who can be next. >>> later, can amazon deliver more joy to investors as holiday crunch time takes a new level. shares up 45% this year. we debate
we're bringing up apple in china. right now they're saying iphone 5 sales are running 50% ahead of what iphone 4 sales were in 2010. that's fairly significant if it turns out to be true. the source for that is macbook translating data from chinese. that's making the rounds. i think people are looking at this aspect of wait a minute. this is a whole growth market that maybe is not in all the -- people are bullish on the china story. but maybe not enough. i think that's giving it to credence...
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how good is china? how weak is china. don't worry about it. unit growth coming back. china will follow in terms of same store. the market disagrees. i think the stock is very cheap. it's show me. until we see an inflection point in china, right now people feel like it's gone like this. be careful. yum. >> there are some lonely bulls out there on yum even at these levels. >> i happen to think that the united states could turn. i like the ceo. he's always reacted to whatever is bad. i don't want to write-off yum. i feel like this was so devastating. i got to see something positive before i can come on this show and say buy it. >> how about wsm? >> here's a terrific report. they say the growth story is unappreciated. william sonoma next week pier 1 reports next week restoration hardwa hardware. everything in the house is doing better. possible sandy story. possible employment story. where would those employment numbers be had it not been for sandy? business is real good for ll. no one wants to say our business is great because of sandy because of the loss of life and the
how good is china? how weak is china. don't worry about it. unit growth coming back. china will follow in terms of same store. the market disagrees. i think the stock is very cheap. it's show me. until we see an inflection point in china, right now people feel like it's gone like this. be careful. yum. >> there are some lonely bulls out there on yum even at these levels. >> i happen to think that the united states could turn. i like the ceo. he's always reacted to whatever is bad. i...
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we will have calmed eurozone fears, revived china and an emerging world. gear u.s. recovery, which is operating on far more cylinders. housing activity. bank lending. falling unemployment rate. and finally, we would have restored a lot of debt balance sheet. that's a lot of positive force for the economy in 2013. i don't think it needs more fed involvement. >> likely to get something, though. i think we can both agree on that. what about the cliff? >> i think the cliff -- i think it's going to sound ugly and mean because that's the way you negotiate right up until the end of the year. i think we're going to get a modest tax hike, modest spending cut, and extend a lot of the existing relationships to live to fight for another day. >> jim, stick around as we kick it around with the traders. financials, that's what jim likes. >> i think the market is playing a game of three-card monty right now. you have the fed on one side, fiscal cliff in the middle, and i think earnings is actually where the coin is. that's where the prize is. i think the market is vulnerable becaus
we will have calmed eurozone fears, revived china and an emerging world. gear u.s. recovery, which is operating on far more cylinders. housing activity. bank lending. falling unemployment rate. and finally, we would have restored a lot of debt balance sheet. that's a lot of positive force for the economy in 2013. i don't think it needs more fed involvement. >> likely to get something, though. i think we can both agree on that. what about the cliff? >> i think the cliff -- i think...
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i do think you are definitely seeing some momentum pick up in china. and some of the nonbelievers are starting to become believers. and the data over the weekend was pretty compelling. other than the trade data and the export data, which i think people are expecting it to be a little bit soft given what's going on in the global world. but you look at retail sales and industrial production at new eight-month highs, i think that's very encouraging. fxi and industrials. >> i knew that was true when steve weiss said he was buying the fxis. >> i was smiling. >> manufacturing is clearly retrenched with the concerns surrounding the fiscal cliff. we see that, all the numbers, you have to believe a little certainty. manufacturing comes back. the material space, which is so tied to the chinese growth. i think that's in particular a sector you could look at. i think you could even, and i'm warming up to something that i haven't liked all year, but you could even look at the steel space and some of those names in there, and i think that would be a focus area. >> w
i do think you are definitely seeing some momentum pick up in china. and some of the nonbelievers are starting to become believers. and the data over the weekend was pretty compelling. other than the trade data and the export data, which i think people are expecting it to be a little bit soft given what's going on in the global world. but you look at retail sales and industrial production at new eight-month highs, i think that's very encouraging. fxi and industrials. >> i knew that was...
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the world bank sees china expanding by 8.4% next year. it's expecting that it will be fueled by fiscal stimulus and the faster implementation of large investment projects. today's forecast is higher than an earlier one that was sited in a world bank report in october. 8.4%, not bad both if you can get it. >>> speaking of china, the united states is moving forward with plans to slap steep anti-dumping duties on wind turbine towers that are imported from china at prices that are deemed unfairly low. the news from the commerce department comes as u.s. officials welcomed a high-level chinese delegation for trade and economic talks. the u.s. trade panel has final approval over the duties and is expected to vote on the case in late january. >>> in corporate news, ubs hit with a $1.5 million fine today. that will add up, a few more of those. the swiss bank admitting to fraud, it paying bribes to brokers. and pervasive, they call it manipulation of libor by dozens of staff. the penalty was agreed to with u.s., u.k., and swiss regulators. it is mo
the world bank sees china expanding by 8.4% next year. it's expecting that it will be fueled by fiscal stimulus and the faster implementation of large investment projects. today's forecast is higher than an earlier one that was sited in a world bank report in october. 8.4%, not bad both if you can get it. >>> speaking of china, the united states is moving forward with plans to slap steep anti-dumping duties on wind turbine towers that are imported from china at prices that are deemed...
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you mentioned the copper, the china plays. the comments. the caterpillars of the world. >> remember when ets, used to buy the actual commodity, i don't know how much, but i do see there's a lot of things that tell me that it indicates maybe we reverse. i don't like big up monday openings. i feel like they often tend to fool people. the empire was not good. it's mixed here. it's just definitively mixed. we're thirsty for those earnings. oracle could be big. ge analysts' meetings could be big. >> it is expected to give guidance for 2013. there's a 2:00 p.m. eastern time conference call, i believe, associated with that. so we may be learning some things in terms of at least our expectations next year from ge. increased its dividend last week, that not that long ago during the financial crisis was cut. rather substantially. over the last year, ge capital has begun paying a dividend yet again to its parent ge. and so it will be interesting to hear. we should point out ge still owns 49% as well as universal. >> ge made a major move. into oil and
you mentioned the copper, the china plays. the comments. the caterpillars of the world. >> remember when ets, used to buy the actual commodity, i don't know how much, but i do see there's a lot of things that tell me that it indicates maybe we reverse. i don't like big up monday openings. i feel like they often tend to fool people. the empire was not good. it's mixed here. it's just definitively mixed. we're thirsty for those earnings. oracle could be big. ge analysts' meetings could be...
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china, hard landing, so you've got worries about that so that's less downside. >> the dividend payers everybody was rushing, to you're going even beyond that to riskier assets in the stock market. >> going into cyclicals, some of which have been beaten down. these are the kinds of things. i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both sides. if they actually let this thing, not gust get through december 31st and do nothing about it. think about it. can president obama get anything done until he gets something, no? >> all the cuts that happened as a result of the fiscal cliff, all over the place. let's cut hundreds of billions in defense. it doesn't indicate what missions are going to be no longer what, programs we're going to kim. i mean, we really have to be stupid to be doing that. >> so irresponsible. >> not knowing where the cuts are hitting. >> right. >> for the security of this country. >> i agree. >> so, therefore, you're going to get
china, hard landing, so you've got worries about that so that's less downside. >> the dividend payers everybody was rushing, to you're going even beyond that to riskier assets in the stock market. >> going into cyclicals, some of which have been beaten down. these are the kinds of things. i think, now, the fiscal cliff saanich u, no question about it. we are going to get fiscal tightening one way or the other. what we're assuming is this is such a lose-lose proposition for both...
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numbers came out saturday for china. i think italy has been remarkably good. so this was a big game changer. italy had been a part of the good story of european recovery. now it's back. >> all to monti was never intended to be there for the long term. >> sure. >> in fact, he may be leaving a month earlier than originally planned. this should not be a surprise in the larger context. while we may mention berlusconi's name right now, he's not expected to win. >> look, we knew that monti was successful. >> it may be whoever follows him is going to roll some of the gains that he's had. so-called gains. >> that's going to cause ripples here. look, on saturday night, i said, we're going to have a nice opening. china's good, people know that monti is not really going to hurt italy. i think if china continues the momentum, but the number -- >> the ex sports were less than expected in the month of november. which is a concern. then there's this perverse glass half full, that some data comes in lower, it might fuel the case for sti
numbers came out saturday for china. i think italy has been remarkably good. so this was a big game changer. italy had been a part of the good story of european recovery. now it's back. >> all to monti was never intended to be there for the long term. >> sure. >> in fact, he may be leaving a month earlier than originally planned. this should not be a surprise in the larger context. while we may mention berlusconi's name right now, he's not expected to win. >> look, we...
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china is still positive in the fourth quarter. china is going to show a slow and steady improvement. so we need those. >> higher expectations stronger in the likes of taiwan, india and brazil. let's go back to where you say they're weakest. greece, italy, spain, the netherlands. this is a very weak feature, indeed. how bad in it? >> it's bad. the eurozone is the global economic problem now. if you look at asia where i just returned from, both countries are feeling optimistic. but they seem to be inwardly focused now by being a triangle of china, india, indonesia. we're not seeing a great benefit into europe as we did before. for instance, germany is looking pretty pessimistic. based on its lack of export performance to places like china. >> yeah. when the bundes bank came out and shortly downgraded forecasts, how is the employment picture? if you've got a relatively healthy china and the u.s. consumer bounce back, wouldn't that help germany? >> it certainly would. germany is relatively flat in terms of the employment outlook. so i
china is still positive in the fourth quarter. china is going to show a slow and steady improvement. so we need those. >> higher expectations stronger in the likes of taiwan, india and brazil. let's go back to where you say they're weakest. greece, italy, spain, the netherlands. this is a very weak feature, indeed. how bad in it? >> it's bad. the eurozone is the global economic problem now. if you look at asia where i just returned from, both countries are feeling optimistic. but...
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you've been to china a lot in recent week. we keep trying to make sense of the data that comes in from china overnight. some of the industrial production numbers. >> remember, we have 16 businesses in china. i spent a lot of my time over there and we've got a great asian presence overall. so what are we seeing? one, exports are slowing and dramatic to europe. that's a structural fen phenomena. the second major market is real estate and my assumption is that they don't want real estate to go up too much and they can't have it go down too much because it will hurt the bank. so we're in a holding pattern. they are looking to liberalize the overall economy. you've seen the stock market rally. that's based on the assumption that growth is stabilizing and, more importantly, i think the new administration is going to try to do liberalize and the message is, don't expect us to lower rates to try to reduce growth. that's what they did in the past that created bubbles and issues. i think what they are going to try to quietly do is stabi
you've been to china a lot in recent week. we keep trying to make sense of the data that comes in from china overnight. some of the industrial production numbers. >> remember, we have 16 businesses in china. i spent a lot of my time over there and we've got a great asian presence overall. so what are we seeing? one, exports are slowing and dramatic to europe. that's a structural fen phenomena. the second major market is real estate and my assumption is that they don't want real estate to...
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this proposal also won the backing of russia and china at a conference in dubai. the pitch for direct regulation came as an unwelcome surprise to delegations from the united states and other countries that have supported the current system of regulation for the internet. when we come back, the near-term economic impact of america's debt crisis, we'll convene our "squawk" economic panel. nathan sheets and ian shepherdson on growth in 2013. right now, take a look at the equity futures. down by about 13 points. the s&p futures down by 3 points. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a latte will ya, please? >>> welcome back to "squawk box," everyone. let's get a look at som
this proposal also won the backing of russia and china at a conference in dubai. the pitch for direct regulation came as an unwelcome surprise to delegations from the united states and other countries that have supported the current system of regulation for the internet. when we come back, the near-term economic impact of america's debt crisis, we'll convene our "squawk" economic panel. nathan sheets and ian shepherdson on growth in 2013. right now, take a look at the equity futures....
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china is overwhelmingly coal fired. they get another $5 million a year or so from trading in the space. what i would expect to see is some increasing of their mining revenues. >> two parts. the actual stock and the trade. >> i have no view on the stock. the fundamental picture that's set up in the relativeness to the shanghai i think is very interesting. i like the trade structure. if you're prepared to get along at 24, going to take some margin. >> it is. this is a trade that really gets the math working for you because you're short that put. if you're willing to buy the stock down there, it's a great way, no cost. nothing out-of-pocket to do that. >> one more time on the stocks verses options button. want to buy peabody, convinced it's a good china play? $28 a share. in mike's option, mike could be forced to buy it at $24 or about a 14% discount. we'll see carter later on in the show. got a question out there, send us a tweet at cnbc options. we'll answer it right after the show on our new website. yes, options action
china is overwhelmingly coal fired. they get another $5 million a year or so from trading in the space. what i would expect to see is some increasing of their mining revenues. >> two parts. the actual stock and the trade. >> i have no view on the stock. the fundamental picture that's set up in the relativeness to the shanghai i think is very interesting. i like the trade structure. if you're prepared to get along at 24, going to take some margin. >> it is. this is a trade that...
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. >> and will it be in china? will the iphone make it in china? >> i got up this morning and turned on cnbc. >> of course you did. >> one dude was at the shanghai store in line waiting for the iphone 5. >> there are a lot of pre-orders. but the question is, will they get china mobile? that's 80% of the smart phone users in china. that's a big question. >> how long have we been waiting for apple tv? >> we could be waiting for months more. >> john has the latest on a developing story between apple and walmart. john? >> yeah, melissa. big news today that kind of slipped under the radar. that's that walmart is discounting apple products way more than we could have expected. the iphone 5 starting today, the entry level iphone 5 down to $127. normally, at most outlets, $199. the new ipad, the fourth generation ipad, starting monday is going to be at $399, plus they'll throw in a $30 itunes gift card. i've been trying to make calls to figure out what the nature is of this promotion. what i gathered is this isn't something apple is pushing at all which pr
. >> and will it be in china? will the iphone make it in china? >> i got up this morning and turned on cnbc. >> of course you did. >> one dude was at the shanghai store in line waiting for the iphone 5. >> there are a lot of pre-orders. but the question is, will they get china mobile? that's 80% of the smart phone users in china. that's a big question. >> how long have we been waiting for apple tv? >> we could be waiting for months more. >> john...
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a lot of that from china. the basic issue is this. there are container royalty fees which supplement wages. the employers want the amount capped. the dock workers do not. this is such a big deal florida governor rick scott sent a three-page letter to the president late last week urging him to intervene, quote, the predicted effects of a strike on the state of florida would be devastating. it currently generated 550 direct and indirect jobs in florida and contributes approximately $66 billion in economic value to florida's economy. governor scott invoked the taft-hartley act that says the president can intervene with labor disputes that, quote, imperil the national health or safety, end quote. the u.s. mx said the stoppage in the west coast a decade ago cost the economy about $1 billion a day. reportedly the unions offered to extend the contract through january was rejected. if there's a strike, the union says clothing, frozen foods and household goods would not move. but mail, military cargo and some perishables may go through. the la
a lot of that from china. the basic issue is this. there are container royalty fees which supplement wages. the employers want the amount capped. the dock workers do not. this is such a big deal florida governor rick scott sent a three-page letter to the president late last week urging him to intervene, quote, the predicted effects of a strike on the state of florida would be devastating. it currently generated 550 direct and indirect jobs in florida and contributes approximately $66 billion in...
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china's corporate criminals who are often inditing wishable. we don't want to give the chinesing nomic sift apple larger footprint into american capitalism. secondly, this makes a mock rift green energy policies. the main rational for which was we don't want these so-called industries of the future controlled by foreign countries and by foreign companies. and here we are, transferring all of this property over to a chinese company. and there was an american buyer. there was an american buyer. an american-owned option. >> on that point, alan, is there any sensitive technology or information that is going to be given to the chinese through this trance ak. >> that's a great question, mandy. you are broadcasting from northern jersey, right sni think you recently you learned how important electricity grids are, right? when you don't have electrical power bb life becomes very bad. a123 is making product that helps control the electricity grid system. do we want the chinese owning this technology? the possibility for sabotage is after t astro nom cal.
china's corporate criminals who are often inditing wishable. we don't want to give the chinesing nomic sift apple larger footprint into american capitalism. secondly, this makes a mock rift green energy policies. the main rational for which was we don't want these so-called industries of the future controlled by foreign countries and by foreign companies. and here we are, transferring all of this property over to a chinese company. and there was an american buyer. there was an american buyer....
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there's been demand storiologist the export side from countries around china that sell into china that have been recently good. so i think there's a reason to be hopeful that we're going to see an uptick here. longer term, no question, chinese consumers are going to be more favorably inclined to buy goods that are made in china. but i don't think we expect to see a very sharp shift on that right now in the next couple of months. >> susie: you don't think this is going to impact the companies that have a china strategy? we hear from so many companies like starbucks or marriott hotels who say china is going to be their biggest market long-term outside of the united states. do you think that they're on track to continue with that policy, despite the bumps along the way? >> yeah, i think the big story here is really going to be the urbanization story. i mean the expectation that the chinese government has is really azing. they expect $300 million people are going to move from rural areas to urban areas within china over the next 20 years. if that happens the way the government expects it's
there's been demand storiologist the export side from countries around china that sell into china that have been recently good. so i think there's a reason to be hopeful that we're going to see an uptick here. longer term, no question, chinese consumers are going to be more favorably inclined to buy goods that are made in china. but i don't think we expect to see a very sharp shift on that right now in the next couple of months. >> susie: you don't think this is going to impact the...
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of big caterpillar equipment and talk about what's going on in china and i hope we get back to that. you're right that's all we're talking about instead of talking about caterpillar and what you do well as a great company. >> thank you. again, every time i come to the floor it's the hub of our greatness in this country of business. it's why we're here. it's really fun and exciting and let answer get into '13 and get into real things. i'm with you, joe. >> i know, but this deal has to play in peoria. >> it will play. >> compared to what you got in illinois now anything looks good. thanks. >> okay. >>> the executive chef tpz at jpmorgan the bank naming two chief officers to oversee things like anti-moneying. kayla tausche joins us. >> the person to watch everyone watching is looking at jez staly, he was chairman as of july largely viewed as a swank song role that rivals have taken note of. there were discussions over the ceo at legg mason, the baltimore asset manager. the talks fell apart and staly was the top of the short list for the board and recruiters after being serious talks for
of big caterpillar equipment and talk about what's going on in china and i hope we get back to that. you're right that's all we're talking about instead of talking about caterpillar and what you do well as a great company. >> thank you. again, every time i come to the floor it's the hub of our greatness in this country of business. it's why we're here. it's really fun and exciting and let answer get into '13 and get into real things. i'm with you, joe. >> i know, but this deal has...
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china is getting expensive. everyone needs to respond faster to the consumer. >> as much as a success story as this is for inditex, what kind of read is it for the consumer more broadly? i think about the big u.k. department store talking about a great sudden. is the strength perhaps -- great saturday. is the strength perhaps of the consumer, whether it's driven by overseas visits, underestimated? >> i think you're talking about the employment figures. if adds up. if you look at the u.k. particularly, shoppers are out there. if you look at the numbers that we've seen, john lewis had extremely strong figures, asos had strong figures in the u.k. car sales are hitting new highs over the last several years. with the likes of the german mark's, the luxury's doing the best. people are feeling more confident, particularly if they've been in employment for a while. the key thing -- they are shopping for quality. where they actually get value and quality is really -- those companies are doing particularly well. you are b
china is getting expensive. everyone needs to respond faster to the consumer. >> as much as a success story as this is for inditex, what kind of read is it for the consumer more broadly? i think about the big u.k. department store talking about a great sudden. is the strength perhaps -- great saturday. is the strength perhaps of the consumer, whether it's driven by overseas visits, underestimated? >> i think you're talking about the employment figures. if adds up. if you look at the...
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starbucks is not slowing down in china. we see slowdown in china from yum! brands. we also see it from tiffany's. starbucks had a very, very good quarter. the stock gapped higher. analyst howard schultz said the right thing, they are not slowing down in china. green mountain i think has problems. they have too much competition. they have a lot of inventory. there is possible accounting. i would not be selling puts in a stock like green mountain, that you could blink your eye, it could be $25 next week. > > it went down from $110. i'm comfortable owning it at a lower level. i think- > > what level? it traded at $29- > > if i buy it at $30, i can live with that- > > it just traded 18 two months ago- but to get back to starbucks, starbucks is going into tea in india. that's big. > round number three: tip top ten. 10 s&p stocks make up 80% of the index climb. is that bullish or bearish for equity markets? > > obviously it is bullish. if you look at what stocks have rallied this year, we talked about it last week, is the banks. the banks have been on fire. apple is one o
starbucks is not slowing down in china. we see slowdown in china from yum! brands. we also see it from tiffany's. starbucks had a very, very good quarter. the stock gapped higher. analyst howard schultz said the right thing, they are not slowing down in china. green mountain i think has problems. they have too much competition. they have a lot of inventory. there is possible accounting. i would not be selling puts in a stock like green mountain, that you could blink your eye, it could be $25...
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also, china story. apple's iphone is officially on sale in china starting today. that should help apple reverse a slide in its market share in that really important area. but analysts say the key to apple's future in china is a tie-up with the telecom operator china mobile. the two have been in talks for years but haven't yet come to any agreement. and you wonder how much china, how much do they want? how much do you have to give up to get a part over there? almost everything, right? >> pretty much. all of your data, everything -- >> their way, they get your technology. do they get the lion's share of -- do they split anything down the middle? >> anyway let's talk about facebook. a major facebook lockup expiration is happening today. early employees' investors will get their first chance to sell about 156 million facebook shares since the ipo back in may. and joining us now on the "squawk" newsline, henry blodget, the ceo and editor in chief at business insider. good morning. >> good morning, thanks for having me. >> a little prognostication here. does this matter
also, china story. apple's iphone is officially on sale in china starting today. that should help apple reverse a slide in its market share in that really important area. but analysts say the key to apple's future in china is a tie-up with the telecom operator china mobile. the two have been in talks for years but haven't yet come to any agreement. and you wonder how much china, how much do they want? how much do you have to give up to get a part over there? almost everything, right? >>...
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china confirms talks with apple. but the problem here, he says tech is not an issue, it's mainly about the business model and benefit sharing issues. that could be a problem. >> he is also playing the part of what many analysts are doing, which is let me explain why it's going down, in the same way that the death cross, i always love the death cross, this is a technical term. i can think of a million reasons to sell it. the only reason i want to own it is because it makes the best products in the world and it's inexpensive. >> that's a lot of people looking at the chart. >> look again, the people who own apple, they were the ones who owned it because it was going up. it reminds me very much in 1999, what do i do with my nortel, it's at 110. in the meantime, roth, the ceo gives a session, an off the record session, or a session where he bashed 15 people. and said you know what? we're going to miss the numbers really big. apple is not nortel, but it trades like those that do and people get into the rut of saying i got
china confirms talks with apple. but the problem here, he says tech is not an issue, it's mainly about the business model and benefit sharing issues. that could be a problem. >> he is also playing the part of what many analysts are doing, which is let me explain why it's going down, in the same way that the death cross, i always love the death cross, this is a technical term. i can think of a million reasons to sell it. the only reason i want to own it is because it makes the best...
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one for her sister in china and another for another family member. neil: so we are not talking about dozens or hundreds or anything like that to . >> for phones, and for that, she was beaten for an animal. neil: apple has been commenting, as you know, the chinese stealing technology here, stealing phones, phone them at a big premium abroad, did not come up with anything you heard about or anyone you talk to? >> because she is an asian woman, they immediately go there. she is just a very nice and respectful and quiet lady. a very successful businesswoman from shanghai. she doesn't need to do that to make money. even if she was, does not want her being beaten like that. neil: i don't understand the events that led to anyone getting tased in the store. could she resist or yell or scream? >> she yelled and she screamed. when it be ironic if the chinese government followed up a complaint about the maltreatment of one of their nationals. >> as far as you know, do you know what is your fiancÉ do? and she involved in the technology industry? >> she was an a
one for her sister in china and another for another family member. neil: so we are not talking about dozens or hundreds or anything like that to . >> for phones, and for that, she was beaten for an animal. neil: apple has been commenting, as you know, the chinese stealing technology here, stealing phones, phone them at a big premium abroad, did not come up with anything you heard about or anyone you talk to? >> because she is an asian woman, they immediately go there. she is just a...
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among the catalysts were that china's economy is stabilizing. the nikkei hit a seven-month closing high yesterday. and in europe you can see the markets are indicated slightly lower but, again, these are the same sort of moves in the futures here. a lot could depend on what happens at 8:30. >> why are you shaking your head, joe? >> nothing. i was getting info. >>> a new survey by potomac research group finds 60% of leading investment professionals predict a sharp decline in the economy if the government fails to make a deal. it's defined as a more than 10% drop in the dow. he's still shaking his head. the group polled hedge fund and pension funds and money market managers and 56% surveyed said a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff by year end. 44% predict failure in the ongoing negotiations. >>> let's get back to the jobs report due out, in less than 30 minutes, joining us now is mark zandi, chief economist at moody's analytics and jared bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. he has the finest nod and smile when he's introduce
among the catalysts were that china's economy is stabilizing. the nikkei hit a seven-month closing high yesterday. and in europe you can see the markets are indicated slightly lower but, again, these are the same sort of moves in the futures here. a lot could depend on what happens at 8:30. >> why are you shaking your head, joe? >> nothing. i was getting info. >>> a new survey by potomac research group finds 60% of leading investment professionals predict a sharp decline in...
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but first we go under the radar for china. what new data beyond the great wall is suggesting about investment opportunities there. those stories and much more coming up on halftime. >> i think you know we upgrayed our exposure to china last week, so i kind of agree with some of the comments just made, the recent data reports look better in china. they have really outperformed. therefore that latter group is cheap. so we like increasing china exposure. >> that was morgan stanley's adam parker, one of the biggest bears on the street getting bullish right here on kwf hattime." jane ulrich joins us now with her 2013 outlook. it's nice to see you again. welcome. >> thank you very much. >> is it just me or has sentiment seemed to change better? >> absolutely. yes, indeed. i think november was actually the inflexion report for the chinese market and kmchinese economy. if you look at the data, pmi data are more positive. industrial production is up. retail sales are bouncing back. but more importantly i've been speaking to a lot of co
but first we go under the radar for china. what new data beyond the great wall is suggesting about investment opportunities there. those stories and much more coming up on halftime. >> i think you know we upgrayed our exposure to china last week, so i kind of agree with some of the comments just made, the recent data reports look better in china. they have really outperformed. therefore that latter group is cheap. so we like increasing china exposure. >> that was morgan stanley's...
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how much of a foray will china make into europe? > > as the chinese captain who runs cosco told me, europe had, for a long time, enjoyed a number of protections. they started spending a lot of money that they didn't have, and now they're paying a price. so what is going to have to happen going forward is that probably europeans are going to have to go back on a number of protections, moving somewhat in the direction the chinese are, which is perhaps to say lower wages, less protections. but europeans certainly, and certainly here in greece, are going to be fighting back against a wholesale backslide toward, again, what many see as the possibility of stumbling into third world working conditions. > > liz alderman of the new york times. thanks so much for your reporting today. > > thank you for having me. still ahead, hits and flops. a look back at the movies that brought riches and pr headaches for film studios. but first, we'll hear from the man who shook things up after a stunning exit from goldman sachs. that's next. wall street e
how much of a foray will china make into europe? > > as the chinese captain who runs cosco told me, europe had, for a long time, enjoyed a number of protections. they started spending a lot of money that they didn't have, and now they're paying a price. so what is going to have to happen going forward is that probably europeans are going to have to go back on a number of protections, moving somewhat in the direction the chinese are, which is perhaps to say lower wages, less protections....
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it plans to open 2400 starbucks in china and the u.s. within two years. "overall, there's going to be coffee available. that'll help you on pricing, so it might be a good time to be expanding." starbucks' expansion plans aren't only meared number of shops. in the last 12 months, its acquired juice company evolution fresh, bakery la boulange, and is about to finalize acquisition of tea company teavanna. tensions remain high in michigan's capitol city, where legislation is about to be passed that could weaken the power of unions. protestors are furious. republican lawmakers moved quickly last week to enact "right to work legislation," allowing workers at unionized companies not to pay dues to the union, which reduces bargaining power right in the uaw's own back yard. the measure has already been approved by both chambers of michigan's legislature, and final enactment could take place tomorrow. republican governor rick snyder supports the legislation. if enacted, it would make michigan the 24th state with right-to-work laws. recent strikes at a california sh
it plans to open 2400 starbucks in china and the u.s. within two years. "overall, there's going to be coffee available. that'll help you on pricing, so it might be a good time to be expanding." starbucks' expansion plans aren't only meared number of shops. in the last 12 months, its acquired juice company evolution fresh, bakery la boulange, and is about to finalize acquisition of tea company teavanna. tensions remain high in michigan's capitol city, where legislation is about to be...
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and among the catalyst here, signs that china's recovery is gaining traction. sources say that the bank of japan will ease monetary policy this week and consider adopting a 2% inflation target no later than january. policymakers are seen responding to pressure from the incoming prime minister there. shinzo abe for stronger efforts to beat deflation. in the meantime, india's central bank kept interest rates on hold yesterday ignoring pressure to reduce borrowing costs. policymakers said they were shifting the focus to reducing the economy and that raises the odds of a rate cut as early as january. andrew olson, over to you. >> ubs reportedly nearing a fine of up to $1.5 billion. the bank is close to finalizing a deal with regulators according to the financial times. about three dozen bankers and senior managers are said to face criminal or civil charges. >>> and it's official this morning, tend of an era for aig. details emerged during squawk yesterday. today, the u.s. insurer rates $6.5 billion from the sale of its remaining stake in aia group. and boeing is ra
and among the catalyst here, signs that china's recovery is gaining traction. sources say that the bank of japan will ease monetary policy this week and consider adopting a 2% inflation target no later than january. policymakers are seen responding to pressure from the incoming prime minister there. shinzo abe for stronger efforts to beat deflation. in the meantime, india's central bank kept interest rates on hold yesterday ignoring pressure to reduce borrowing costs. policymakers said they...
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is china your best bet in 2013? joining us is chief china equity strategist at goldman sachs. always great to speak with you. >> those pmi numbers seven-month high. fourth month gain. it is the longest streak in more than a year for the chinese currency and the stock market lowest level since 2009. what is telling the true story? >> well, i think obviously we are seeing pretty reasewassurin cyclical signs and the market is reacting more. there has been a big divergence in terms of performance. the reason the asian market is not turning so much is because it is less correlated to the global market. and secondly i think it is just not only focusing on structural reform issues more but more bearish on the cyclical outlook. those are probably some of the key differences. we think that tha asia market guys are a little too bearish on the cyclical and reform side. we think that 2013 returns will be a little higher for a versus for h. >> you have introduced with your most recent note at the end of november a reform basket of stocks. can you walk us through what that means? >> over th
is china your best bet in 2013? joining us is chief china equity strategist at goldman sachs. always great to speak with you. >> those pmi numbers seven-month high. fourth month gain. it is the longest streak in more than a year for the chinese currency and the stock market lowest level since 2009. what is telling the true story? >> well, i think obviously we are seeing pretty reasewassurin cyclical signs and the market is reacting more. there has been a big divergence in terms of...
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david: it is time to go off the desk and over to china for a huge holiday pillow fight. they blew off some steam with a pillow fight. they had the names of bosses and professors on
david: it is time to go off the desk and over to china for a huge holiday pillow fight. they blew off some steam with a pillow fight. they had the names of bosses and professors on
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it says designed by apple in california, assembled in china. all apple products are made in china. that's about to change. ceo tim cook announced starting next year one line of computers will be designed and built in the usa. >> i think it's a big surprise. >> reporter: cnet says with one line of macs and not the iphone or ipad, apple is not taking a huge risk. >> for apple to say this is something they want to do that they want to manufacture here in the united states, it's a big deal. it's a big differentiate tore for this company. >> reporter: this is the image that apple likes to show. that has been tarnished by sweat shop conditions at the chinese factories. nets were installed outside the dormitories run by apple contractor to prevent suicides after several contract workers jumped to their deaths. after widespread media reports apple began to improve conditions. >> they love the computers but we were saying i don't know, it's not conscious consumerism which is what we're looking at now. where is your money going. what is it supporting? >> reporter: made in america may be an e
it says designed by apple in california, assembled in china. all apple products are made in china. that's about to change. ceo tim cook announced starting next year one line of computers will be designed and built in the usa. >> i think it's a big surprise. >> reporter: cnet says with one line of macs and not the iphone or ipad, apple is not taking a huge risk. >> for apple to say this is something they want to do that they want to manufacture here in the united states, it's a...
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china and the united states. david: hold on, bob, let me define what you mean about clean energy, a lot of people from nrc did do not include natural gas with clean energy, but do you? >> well, what i'm talking about is wind, solar and other sources, but the key-- >> what about natural gas bob? >> the key to it, david, how we get it. it has to be gotten in a responsible way. we can't continue to put our communities, our ranchers, our farmers at risk and we can't continue to kick down the road the transition we need to make for the sake of our economy, for the sake of our national security for the sake of our-- >> we're not kick it go down the road. this isn't a fiscal cliff kick down the road. they're improving techniques all the time. they're not kicking the problem down the road. >> most are. and those that aren't need to be required to do so. we need to improve the public oversight. right now they don't have to comply with our foundational safeguards, david. like the clean water act. safe drinking water. that
china and the united states. david: hold on, bob, let me define what you mean about clean energy, a lot of people from nrc did do not include natural gas with clean energy, but do you? >> well, what i'm talking about is wind, solar and other sources, but the key-- >> what about natural gas bob? >> the key to it, david, how we get it. it has to be gotten in a responsible way. we can't continue to put our communities, our ranchers, our farmers at risk and we can't continue to...
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and china did 2 million iphone 5s. europe is week. but with demands elsewhere looking healthy, some numbers at least seem to be going apple's way. the question is whether samsung and amazon are meaningfully zapping the apple products. >> all right, jan. thanks so much. >> we've got both sides of that debate right now. the iphone 5's big debut in china is further proof that apple's fundamentals are solid one says. but stewart jeffrey is not sold. he says rivals like google's android are catching up. we were just talking there. jon pointing out the other competition out there. stock down 25% in the last three months. you remain bullish though. why? >> i do. i think a lot of the selling has to do with capital gains taxes. i think it was from the 700 level. and then you had another wave of it with long-term capital gains taxes. fears of that after the election we think caused an issue. we think that's why the stock is down. we still think it's quite solid. >> what about the competitive environment? stewart, that's one you've been looking
and china did 2 million iphone 5s. europe is week. but with demands elsewhere looking healthy, some numbers at least seem to be going apple's way. the question is whether samsung and amazon are meaningfully zapping the apple products. >> all right, jan. thanks so much. >> we've got both sides of that debate right now. the iphone 5's big debut in china is further proof that apple's fundamentals are solid one says. but stewart jeffrey is not sold. he says rivals like google's android...
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>> the best way to play china would be the etf. it's a proxy for the market, but that's because the others out there, you know, they have a lot more of a spread because it's harder to trade the stocks so, you know, the size would trade closer to the index, probably one of the sharper investors, etfs for investors. liz: bruno, the best idea with the fiscal cliff, you believe the cuts kicking in january 1 # #st, something will happen, there will be a deal. that said, where do you advise people to put your money? >> a generational opportunity with the energy or in the sense that's happening right here in the u.s.. we are going to see tremendous growth from a number of companies particularly on the exploration and production space, and specifically around a fiscal cliff creating short term opportunity with limited partnerships, or mlps, the backbone of a lot of the infrastructure that's being built around the energy in a sense that we're seeing, and we'll see it for years to come, and so a lot of opportunities with a lot of opportuniti
>> the best way to play china would be the etf. it's a proxy for the market, but that's because the others out there, you know, they have a lot more of a spread because it's harder to trade the stocks so, you know, the size would trade closer to the index, probably one of the sharper investors, etfs for investors. liz: bruno, the best idea with the fiscal cliff, you believe the cuts kicking in january 1 # #st, something will happen, there will be a deal. that said, where do you advise...
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we're better than china. meanwhile our energy costs are plummeting courtesy of the cleaner, cheaper fuel, natural gas. so cheap here it can be liquefied in the united states and sold overseas at much lower prices. potential exporter dominion later tonight. that business unimpeded by washington could be brimming with jobs. a lot of projects on hold, though, fiscal cliff. yep, the obstacle is washington, all because of the need to sock it to the 2%, not the 1.5% and the over $400,000 crowd, the 1%, or the need to fulfill the anti-tax pledge of allegiance many of our congressmen made to my college chum grover norquist. i thought bill gates and chief justice roberts were powerful. he makes the other guys look like crash dummies. we're on the cusp of an economic boom in this country. but we have politicians that would rather create a recession, a mandated economic collapse, let's create a bear market versus rising above. and guess what? these enemies of wealth and job creation may get their way and win. yes, to bo
we're better than china. meanwhile our energy costs are plummeting courtesy of the cleaner, cheaper fuel, natural gas. so cheap here it can be liquefied in the united states and sold overseas at much lower prices. potential exporter dominion later tonight. that business unimpeded by washington could be brimming with jobs. a lot of projects on hold, though, fiscal cliff. yep, the obstacle is washington, all because of the need to sock it to the 2%, not the 1.5% and the over $400,000 crowd, the...
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china is starting to come back. on the other side of china, we should start to see good rebound. that is the premise. here we are in the united states with one of the best economies in the world getting better and the potential to take them off the rails with the fiscal cliff conversation. liz: more than 200 companies have moved up their dividend of dave. do you have plans to speed up your favorites before the end of the year, andrew? >> we have a very healthy dividend payment. we have what we consider a long-term approach. the short answer is, we are looking at all options. it is doubtful we will do anything. liz: are you in the cheering for you think it will not be as bad if they do not strike a deal? >> there is no business leader out there that is not in the camp of saying if this does not get done, this will be a very negative affect on the u.s. economy. we are in the camp, all of us, working hard to bring that point to both sides of the aisle. i believe that they are hearing that very loudly from many of us in the business community. the hammering out and the public domain
china is starting to come back. on the other side of china, we should start to see good rebound. that is the premise. here we are in the united states with one of the best economies in the world getting better and the potential to take them off the rails with the fiscal cliff conversation. liz: more than 200 companies have moved up their dividend of dave. do you have plans to speed up your favorites before the end of the year, andrew? >> we have a very healthy dividend payment. we have...
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the china ftse. this is a place i think we're goings higher. >> gnat gas up 4%. >> got a beth of a boost. also from companies wanting to get a little more gassy. >> oh. >> well, they are. they want to get some of this natural gas offshore and i still like it. >> grasso? >> i bought mc, i bought ac steel and i bought big steel, leonard x. i've already sold all three. i've clipped my profit. i'm done for now. if the global economy is doing better, they will continue to go higher. >> up 7%, western digital. mike? >> accelerated dividend is one. >> and we've got a pop here for honey boo boo. >> what? >> what do secretary of state hillary clinton, chris christie and honey boo boo have in common? they've all been placed on barbara walters' most fascinating list. honey boo boo has her fair share of critics including adam lee convenient and south parks. she's sweet loving. look at that face. >> so that's not a sign? >> what? >> of the myan prophecy. >> i knew you were going there. >> that's scary. >> all rig
the china ftse. this is a place i think we're goings higher. >> gnat gas up 4%. >> got a beth of a boost. also from companies wanting to get a little more gassy. >> oh. >> well, they are. they want to get some of this natural gas offshore and i still like it. >> grasso? >> i bought mc, i bought ac steel and i bought big steel, leonard x. i've already sold all three. i've clipped my profit. i'm done for now. if the global economy is doing better, they will...
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but in china, no such luck. after beijing's worst downpour in decades washed out this home, he and his wife had to borrow $3100 in friends and relatives to rebuild, a small fortune on his meager salary. there's no such thing as homeowners insurance, he says. the industry here has been agreeing over the past decade, but still underdeveloped with private policies largely a foreign idea. in countries like the united states, homeowners insurance replaces pretty much whatever somebody owns. about you but here there is no such guarantees, so people are forced to salvage whatever they can on their own. as more chinese get richer, many are looking for ways two o prot their wealth and lives. >> people are some savings, a first car and all that, typically insurance product is actually a very good product for them. >> right now car insurance is popular. china is expected to become the second largest insurance market behind the u.s. by 2020. and the competition is fierce, still dominated by chinese players like picc. intern
but in china, no such luck. after beijing's worst downpour in decades washed out this home, he and his wife had to borrow $3100 in friends and relatives to rebuild, a small fortune on his meager salary. there's no such thing as homeowners insurance, he says. the industry here has been agreeing over the past decade, but still underdeveloped with private policies largely a foreign idea. in countries like the united states, homeowners insurance replaces pretty much whatever somebody owns. about...
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the china news is good. i like a and r. i like the cole names. the one beaten down has the most up side. >> simon. >> in video the table chip. >>> j.j. >> in the financial sector it's like a boxer that gets beat up day after day after day, it never goes down. with that being said, goldman sachs is a financial stock. >> what do you make of this argument that santolli was making, pete. you can get a sell on the news event if you get a deal on the fiscal krif. it's counter intuitive. >> if that were to happen, i agree with josh. i don't know that i see that in front of us. if that were to happen, i think that present a great opportunity. i look at the financials. goldman sachs, i look at all the financials. jpmorgan, goldman sachs, i like them. >> i totally get what mike's saying. it's an interesting thing to consider. it's definitely possible of course. my inclination would be a 1,000 point dow rally. there's so much pent up fear and skepticism. with that out of the way in addition to what the feds told us, which is low rates until we're dead, i ca
the china news is good. i like a and r. i like the cole names. the one beaten down has the most up side. >> simon. >> in video the table chip. >>> j.j. >> in the financial sector it's like a boxer that gets beat up day after day after day, it never goes down. with that being said, goldman sachs is a financial stock. >> what do you make of this argument that santolli was making, pete. you can get a sell on the news event if you get a deal on the fiscal krif. it's...